Wednesday, February 17, 2010
Way Back When: Beginnings for Q1b
My father's male family members began 15,000 to 20,000 years ago in Siberia. Most left the area and managed to make it into North and then South America, probably feeling it was too cold in Siberia, but my special Siberian Clan with the dna marker of 242 either stayed longer or spread out to India and China. Eventually my family group made their way to Lithuania, possibly by the 1300's AD. By now we have our own marker of M378. It wasn't probably till the 1800's that we picked up the surname of Goldfoot.
What I know from dna testing results is that our Q1b haplogroup of M378 came from the Altai Mt. area of Siberia, Mongolia and parts of Turkey.
Also, from Alfred Krupa, founder of the Ashina Royal Dynasty is this news: "Last post on Ashkenazi Q Yahoo group from Ms. Lisa shows Q1b present in Siberia. So far we hadn't had this kind of information. Another and additional proof supporting my work.
Reference: National Geographic "Deep Ancestry-inside the Genographic Project" by Spencer Wells page 222.
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Alfred Krupa
What I know from dna testing results is that our Q1b haplogroup of M378 came from the Altai Mt. area of Siberia, Mongolia and parts of Turkey.
Also, from Alfred Krupa, founder of the Ashina Royal Dynasty is this news: "Last post on Ashkenazi Q Yahoo group from Ms. Lisa shows Q1b present in Siberia. So far we hadn't had this kind of information. Another and additional proof supporting my work.
Reference: National Geographic "Deep Ancestry-inside the Genographic Project" by Spencer Wells page 222.
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Alfred Krupa
Sunday, February 07, 2010
Q1b's: To be from Khazaria or Not to Be: That Is The Question
I ran into several questions about knowing if our Q1b haplogroup is of the Ashina Royal Dynasty of Khazaria or not. Alfred Krupa has done extensive research on his surname which has led him to this discovery and has shared with those of us who share the same haplogroup.
The interesting thing is that I see on page 2 of Kevin Alan Bacon's "The Jews of Khazaria" under "The Turkic Heritage" the line: "The Khazars were predominantly Turkic and probably originated in the steppes of central Asia, or perhaps in the Ural or Caucasus mountains."
Our Q1b haplogroup is said to have originated in the Altai Mountains of Turkey, Mongolia and Siberia, and this is from information at familytreedna.
The Turkic peoples (or simply Turks) are Eurasian peoples residing in northern, central and western Asia, Mongolia, southern Siberia and northwestern China and parts of eastern Europe. They speak languages belonging to the Turkic language family.[4] They share, to varying degrees, certain cultural traits and historical backgrounds. The term Turkic represents a broad ethno-linguistic group of people including existing societies such as the Azerbaijani, Kazakhs, Tatar, Kyrgyz, Turkish, Turkmen, Uyghur, Uzbeks, Bashkirs, Qashqai, Gagauzs, Yakuts, Karakalpaks, Karachays, Krymchaks, Nogais and as well as past civilizations such as the Bulgars, Kumans, Avars, Seljuks, Khazars, Ottomans, Mamluks, Timurids, and possibly the Xiongnu and Huns[4][5][6].
According to Turkic legend, continues Kevin, which are found in Chinese chronicles, an exciting legend takes place when a son was named Ak-shih-na and his tribe became powerful and expanded. All 10 sons settled along the southern slope of the Altai Mountains....so there we have our geography in agreement with science. page 2.
It's my grandfather's wife who belongs to the W mtdna haplogroup which is said to originate from the Ural mountains. The Ural Mountains (Russian: are a mountain range that runs roughly north-south through western Russia. They are usually considered the natural boundary between Europe and Asia.
My grandparents met in Council, Idaho, a little mining town on the way to a ski resort (today) after immigrating from "Russia" and Suwalki, Poland and married in 1905. There he must have been on the train that just passed through recently for the first time and found her and her family there. What are the chances of that happening? Both were Jewish, so naturally the only available Jewish boy married the only available Jewish gal. One giveaway was that they both spoke Yiddish, and hopefully the same dialect of Yiddish.
Even more unusual is the fact that Q1b occurs in only 5% of the male Jewish population, and W is also a very small haplogroup for women. I don't know what % of Jewish women belong to this group, but it most likely is also very small making this event of happening most unlikely being they did not meet in Eastern Europe in their hometowns.
So the question remains: which one is the one with roots in Khazaria? Could they both be? Now I'll have to start reading more about the W women from the area.
The interesting thing is that I see on page 2 of Kevin Alan Bacon's "The Jews of Khazaria" under "The Turkic Heritage" the line: "The Khazars were predominantly Turkic and probably originated in the steppes of central Asia, or perhaps in the Ural or Caucasus mountains."
Our Q1b haplogroup is said to have originated in the Altai Mountains of Turkey, Mongolia and Siberia, and this is from information at familytreedna.
The Turkic peoples (or simply Turks) are Eurasian peoples residing in northern, central and western Asia, Mongolia, southern Siberia and northwestern China and parts of eastern Europe. They speak languages belonging to the Turkic language family.[4] They share, to varying degrees, certain cultural traits and historical backgrounds. The term Turkic represents a broad ethno-linguistic group of people including existing societies such as the Azerbaijani, Kazakhs, Tatar, Kyrgyz, Turkish, Turkmen, Uyghur, Uzbeks, Bashkirs, Qashqai, Gagauzs, Yakuts, Karakalpaks, Karachays, Krymchaks, Nogais and as well as past civilizations such as the Bulgars, Kumans, Avars, Seljuks, Khazars, Ottomans, Mamluks, Timurids, and possibly the Xiongnu and Huns[4][5][6].
According to Turkic legend, continues Kevin, which are found in Chinese chronicles, an exciting legend takes place when a son was named Ak-shih-na and his tribe became powerful and expanded. All 10 sons settled along the southern slope of the Altai Mountains....so there we have our geography in agreement with science. page 2.
It's my grandfather's wife who belongs to the W mtdna haplogroup which is said to originate from the Ural mountains. The Ural Mountains (Russian: are a mountain range that runs roughly north-south through western Russia. They are usually considered the natural boundary between Europe and Asia.
My grandparents met in Council, Idaho, a little mining town on the way to a ski resort (today) after immigrating from "Russia" and Suwalki, Poland and married in 1905. There he must have been on the train that just passed through recently for the first time and found her and her family there. What are the chances of that happening? Both were Jewish, so naturally the only available Jewish boy married the only available Jewish gal. One giveaway was that they both spoke Yiddish, and hopefully the same dialect of Yiddish.
Even more unusual is the fact that Q1b occurs in only 5% of the male Jewish population, and W is also a very small haplogroup for women. I don't know what % of Jewish women belong to this group, but it most likely is also very small making this event of happening most unlikely being they did not meet in Eastern Europe in their hometowns.
So the question remains: which one is the one with roots in Khazaria? Could they both be? Now I'll have to start reading more about the W women from the area.
Labels: Altai Mountains, Khazaria, Ural Mountains
